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  1. Dear Friends

    Unfortunately I am not yet fully recovered enough from brain surgery to go to Stow Fair this time, so I'm very disappointed - (especially as I wanted some new rugs!! ) Therefore, can I ask a big favour please?

    Obviously I won't be able to take my usual photos for the journal. So, if any of you take photos of wagons, horses or anything interesting , including any news or little stories about meeting up with old friends etc., that you would be willing to share for the next issue of the journal - please either send them to me via Email at mhorner022@aol.com or write to me at 22, Ecroyd Park, Credenhill, Hereford HR4 7EL.

    That would be really kind and I and all our members would be very grateful. If required, any costs of developing and postage would be sent by return of post.

    Many thanks and kushti bok Mary

  2. yes bridgwater was on the 30th sept til 3rd oct.it was quite good.rosie smith came down and she and i met up.you can see us on utube on rosie meets cathay if you want. stow is on the 22nd october(a thursday) oh by the way the romanies are only at bridgwater on the last wed of the month of september then the next 3 days is for fair folk and london traders.

  3. I thought bridgwater was the 30th ? This was on the BBC site .

    The largest travelling funfair in the south west is once again rolling in to Bridgwater.

    The annual event is almost 800 years old for the last 400 years has been held on St Matthews Field.

    The event has to be held on the last Wednesday in September so this year it will take place on 30 September, running until 3 October.

    The funfair will see plenty of rides and over 100 stalls. A small horse fair will be held just on the Wednesday

  4. me again sorry i meant 22nd october!!!!!!bridgwater fair is on the last wednesday of september.thats another good fair in somerset.

  5. hi duncan,stow is always on a thursday so the next date for stow fair is definately the 22nd sept 2009.hope that helps you.regards cathayb

  6. Hello there just wondering if any one has heard if a date for Octobers Stow fair has been confirmed yet? ive heard the 22nd also the 26th? All the best Duncan

  7. hi all,i have a new email address:=birch.cathay@yahoo.co.uk

  8. Thank you to everyone who's put messages on recently, it's always good to hear from you and I hope you get some replies and help with your searches.

    Thanks too to you Jim Hardie don't forget to keep us up-to-date with your painting, sounds great. I could put some pictures on the site for you if you wanted, just let me know. You can always contact me on mhorner022@aol.com. I'm still recovering from brain surgery and must take it easy for a while yet, but hope to update the site before too long. Kushti bok to all - Mary

  9. oh my judy.i am so pleased we have made contact again!jan and i have been looking everywhere for you and your mum we were so worried.please email me at cathayb@talktalk.net i would love to know more about your smalls family as i have found alot of smalls in my own line and i know one or two of them went to america.hows mum by the way?and yes your right this is a good site but if you subscribe to the journals they are excellant and excellant value for money.i can well reccomend them.love cathay

  10. What a kushti site, Don't let the flatties get you down one of you is worth ten of them, and keep the crack going. I am now starting to paint porcelain with Vardo's on so keep watching. Jim ( Tolney Lane)

  11. hello,good day to all,it has been months sence i have gotton to go to my romany sites an talk with my friends i have made an the ones i hope to make.my net is down at my home,i spend time at my moms an we got hers up an running again,this makes me so so happy...cathayyyy,i read something about your leg,i pray all is going well in your healing.i have slowed up a great deal on doing my family tree ,i am still working on looking up family names an places it is just going slow.i am goind to check out this site today it has gotton my attention,it looks like it has alot to is.here in the usa there is nothing todo concerning romanichels an any form of research.i know the gypsy lore society is over here but i am still tring to figure out how to find the info i need on that site.well i am going to try an post this an see if it goes through.well i leave my love to all who are here.god bless to all my fellow romanys.........

  12. please can anyone help with me searching my husbands family history,,my husbands grandad named Albert berritt left the fair ,,roughly in the 1900's , he married a ruth Stevans,ruth lived in ashford in kent. and was related to jimmy jefford the fairground boxer..family last known of there wereabouts was in 1980's at hoddeston in the winter months when the fair grounds werent running.. I met my great aunt Harriet stevans ,, in Tottenham lane .lordship lane ..the big wreck.. please help me search them or any history. Also the rochester family ...also the killingbacks elizabeth married killingback thanks very much.....

  13. first time on here, new computer.

    I am from the Loveridge family, a Romani minister (Roma Rashai) in the full gospel Romani church and I work as a bus driver in High Wycombe.

    I am in the process of writng a glossary of Romani into English.

    Kushti site, well done, opre Roma!

  14. where are ye dougie/young eric/ blue eye???not often ya cant find a boswell. give us a holler.

  15. hi again all,sorry my leg is still bad so cant get on here alot but will continue to do the best i can and keep searching for all of you.mary and i are at the very least on the way to good recoveries but having to be patient as it takes quite a long time!!!!any way all the best folks and keep writing in.hey!isnt the combined new journal out recently of the romany road series excellant again?i am really enjoying mine.all the best everyone love cathay

  16. Many thanks for your reply im waiting to check a family members ancestry.com for info on the Jones and Saunders families as i know nothing of either families only from my Grans Brother who is a Jones who told me him and his brother spent alot of time in Abertillery/Cwmtillerey in around 1920 to 1930 playing with a family known as the Prices when he and his Brothers were little and that there father (my great grand father John "jack"jones was a bare knuckle fighter who took part in many bare knuckle fights in and around the South Wales region arond 1905 1920.Once i find out where both families originate from il be more the wiser!At the mo im traceing my Mothers Family from morton in marsh who were Clarkes who married Smiths and were agri cultural labourers, coal merchants and horse grooms in Stowe in the Wold its never ending ! All i no of these is that they my great nan (Elsie Rosina Clarke)was able to read palms,tea leaves etc and could could heal people useing water from a well.All her desendants are dark skinned brown haired and browned eyed as is my mother and Aunty which is quite strange as never of them has ever left the u.k.I might be clutching at straws but the rumour is they as well as my Family from Wales were Romany desent.Thanks for your reply and if i find out anymore i will let you know Keep up the good work on the site All the best Duncan

  17. a big hello to the lancashire boswells. just in case ya thought we were atchin in the sky, we aint.had a run around hensingham and whitehaven, couldnt deek a soul????times change, and time moves on i guess.

    loves yis...bill an tanya.

  18. Hi Cathayb,

    Glad to see you back. Hope you are making good progress and that you will be up and about soon.

    My best very wishes

    Mondo

  19. Hi Janet Ford,

    Just read your posting. As a suggestion, have you tried looking at the site Scotlands People. It has recently been updated with Census lists also Birth Marriage and Death registry records. Also another thought, write to the Salvation Army as they are very good at helping to trace adoptee's and adoptees parents etc.

    Good Luck

    Mondo

  20. to the last two posters on the site.i am sorry i dont know about either of your families but i have asked a few of my friends and they will get back to me if they can find anything.i do though have jones and saunders in my family but they come from devon at least in the last 2 hundred years or so.have you any record of your saunders being anywhere other than wales?to the two girls.... what makes you think they may be travellers?any more clues you could give us to try and help locate them?regards all cathayb

  21. Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone could help my sister and I. We are looking for the whereabouts of our parents. They are known as Joseph Ford and Janet Ford nee Watson. We dont have their birth dates and the dates of marriage on our birth certificates dont coincide with each other. I was born in Inverness, scotland in 1959 and my sister june was born in oban ,scotland in 1962. We were both taken into care in 1962 from a place called stow(borders) by welfare officers and placed in fostercare. We dont know if we have siblings. If there is anyone who can help us please feel free to help as we keep coming to brick walls all the time. From what we can recall from what we were told by social workers throughout the years that our mother went to the manchester area whether this is true or not we dont know. I have been trawling through websites and dont know where to go really. So if anyone could help us find some information we would be eternally grateful. thanks Janet and June Ford

  22. Hello there firstly i gotta congratulate you only a Quality website.Im in the process of traceing my Mother and Fathers Family trees on my Fathers side are Jones and Saunders all from round the South Wales area(Monmouthshire?Breconshire) and on my Mothers side Clarkes from the Morten on Marsh Stowe on the Wold area,there is talk of Romany on both sides could anyone advise me the best way to go out about finding this out?Also would a Coalman in the 1800,s and a Horse groom in the 1800,s be Romany trades as the Clarke Family on my mothers side did both of these for a living?Any advice given would be much appreciated,All the best Duncan

  23. i am back so query away.best wishes cathayb

  24. Mary would like to send her sincere thanks to all friends via this site who have sent so many kind messages for her speedy recovery from her recent brain surgery and says your love, support and prayers have meant so much! We're pleased to say that all went well and she is expected to be fully recovered within the next six months - although knowing our Nan - it won't take her that long!

    Once she's better she will start to update the site - but in the meantime journals 10 and 11 are with the printer and will be distributed soon. Many thanks - John (Grandson)

  25. I am also interested to know more about Paul Stevens whose photos are on this site. As I have Stevens' in my family tree.

  26. I hope Cathay has a speedy recovery. I'm sure we'll meet up one day :)

    Love Bee & family

  27. CATHAY BIRCH

    We are very sad to report that Cathay Birch has had a nasty fall and has broken her leg so she won't be answering any queries on this page for a while. We all wish you a speedy recovery recovery Cathay

  28. Yes it was given that nickname because there were so many rats nest there on Chislehurst and St Paul’sCray Common.

  29. so has anyone ever heard of rats nest chizelhurst?

  30. i have permission from mondo to share this with you and as it talks of some of the ways of the past i thought you may enjoy it.cathayb

    From: pookerthegib

    Hi Cathayb,

    There certainly is an anomaly here regarding what my mother told me about her parents and grandparents, and what information I have found through my searches of the records.

    Firstly, my mother Sarah Redworth (her maiden name) said that my grand father had a "Bow Top Wagon" and that she was born at abbeywood. They also lived with her "Quote" Blind old Granny, that she would sit and read to her from the Bible and referred to her Grand Father as "Old Joe the Welshman".

    According to my elder brother who is 86 and still remembers the old chap; says that none of the family could understand him because of his strong accent that was a mixture of Welsh and Romany. (Did he live in Wales part of his life??)

    Mother also remembered the get together's where there was fiddle playing and dancing which she described as being similar to Spanish dancing. These jigs apparently were being dance on a door which was placed on the ground to allow the dancer to heel and toe and stamp to great effect.

    My Grand Father William Redworth married Grand Mother Elizebeth Sutton who was a Gorja woman that lived at the Rats Nest Chislehurst. I have no proof as to where the Rats Nest address really was except for another Genealogist, who has been told by peope living at the now; Foots Cray area as having been in the vicinity of what is now called Recory Lane Sidcup.

    He also believes that there was a large gypsy encampment behind the Rats Nest address which where in fact Brick Fields. My own records show that my Maternal Grandparents, the Redworth, were married at the Parish Church North Cray july 1896. Both ages stated to be 20 years old. I have not found any reference to the family in any of the census's.

    In the 1891 Census, At Ladywell Buildings Lewisham.

    I have Joseph Redworth Head age 37 Born at Middlesex

    Kate Redworth Wife age 39 Born Plumstead with children:-

    Justinier Daughter age 16 Born Middlesex

    William Son age 14 Born Middlesex ( my grand dad)

    Emily age 12 Born Dartford

    Benjin age 7 Born Lewisham

    Thomas age 4 Born Lewisham

    Asker age 1 Born Lewisham

    Also at the same address is :-

    Justinier Boswell Head age 68 Widow Born Barkingside

    (nee Justinier Dighton, Wife of Zachariah Boswell 1825.)

    Annie Loverage Daughter age 26 Born Shepherds Bush

    Thomas Loverage Son-in-law age 26 Born Shepherds Bush

    Bertie Loverage Grand Son age 4 Born Deptford

    Francis Grand Daughter age 1 Born Deptford

    My Great Grand Parents were not married until Dec 1910 and were resident at "Caravan" Manorway, Plumsted Marsh.

    They evidently wanted to see if they got on alright before getting married. Ha Ha.

    I have no objection to you passing on any of this information to other who may be interested.

    Regards Mondo

  31. to unknown romany.i hope you didnt think i meant romanyroad was a history society?i know its not.its recollections of a wonderful way of life!but many of us are interested in family history aswell and love to help anyone else that is interested or put them in touch with folki that can help them.

  32. ROMANY ROAD is a non-political, non-profit-making society, our aim being to share and enjoy memories and reminiscences of Romany Life. We are not a family history society

  33. hi guys.this is getting to be a great meetingplace for us all!mary will be delighted when she gets back on line to see whats been happening on here.i know the next two journals are about ready and they will be coming our way soon.i cant wait for them.well see you around folkis and if any of you would like any help with family history mary and i will do our best.

  34. yippppyyyyyyyyy mary is doing well so very pleased to hear that feel like its chrismas or sank thank you cathay for letting us know how she's doing as i have been thinking about her a lot i didnt know you where such good friends or i would of ask for news of her sooner i am so pleased that she will no longer have to be in pain and she is a brave women to have the op i know i would be trashed to death if it was me,

    anyways wishing well to mary and family loves rosie xxx

    p's thank you about the book again cathay xx


    and linsey my cushty cuz when we do end up meeting i know i is gonna be such a bad in fluance on you hahahaahaha woo hoo lol xxxxxxxxxxx

    rosie

  35. Hi Cathby. Thanks so much for your kind message. I'm really pleased to read your comments about our new book as both Rosie and I are really excited about it's release. Rosie was great to work with and we had a lot of fun along the way, but can you believe it - we have never actually met eachother lol. Many thanks once again, your comments are greatly appreciated and I wish you all the best too, Lindsey xx

  36. rosie and lindseys book!!!!!

    hey my copy arrived this morning and i am reading it avidily.what value for money worth twice the price and more.its had me in tears to read of folki still living the way we do on our site here in somerset.real gypsy ways.i love it,i will always value it.what an heirloom to pass on to our kids and grandkids.i just cant say enough good about it.everyword is true and everyword is how me and joe and our chavvies live.do get your selves a copy as soon as you can.you wont regret it.right i am back to read it again!!!

    mary news of= mary is home and doing wonderfully.all will be well with her in the future.she is now nearly pain free and eating and enjoying her food.welcome home mary!!!we love you loads.look forward to you and brian coming to convalese here soon.i will spoil you rotten.elizabeth hope sends you her love and hopes to meet you while your here.love cathayb

  37. HEAR YE O HEAR YE.....

    mary has just rung me herself from the hospital.operation has been 100%success!!!she has had all her tubes removed,they are taking her off the morphine.she has been out of bed.she didnt lose her thinking at all after the operation.she is for the first time in years with out pain.the doctors are over the moon about her.shes done far better than thery expected!!!it really was a pioneering op and mary herself didnt think she would make it.some of the phone calls i had from her the week before she went in would have made your hair stand on end!!!!living wills and last suppers!!!!.it has been very worrying.but mary wants to thank you all from the bottom of her heart as she says she knows it was our prayers to God that have brought her through so well.

    give thanks with a grateful heart all ye folkis!!!!!

  38. mary isnt available just yet but i am sure she will be haoppy to endorse this book.i know she has read the preview and thinks its fantastic!!!!i already have mine ordered.if you order before june 5th you can get it for 10.99.the normal selling price will be 12 .99 after that date.i think its going to be very popular so put you orders in soon.heres some little bits i have found about it from the gmb board.

    I have just been reminded that almost any book can be ordered from most bookshops if you provide the Title, Author and ISBN number

    so for this one

    Old Ways, New Days: A Family History of Gypsy Life in South London and Kent

    by Rosie Smith and Lindsey Marsh

    Paperback ISBN 978 1 903427 45 3


    Old Ways, New Days: A Family History of Gypsy Life in South London and Kent

    by Rosie Smith and Lindsey Marsh

    Paperback 104 pages with over 100 black and white photographs

    ISBN 978 1 903427 45 3

    Old ways, New Days is a book of photographs and reminiscences of Gypsy life in South London, Surrey and Kent by Rosie Smith, who still lives a traditional Gypsy lifestyle, and her second cousin Lindsey Marsh, who has been researching her own Gypsy roots. It is an introduction to the language, working lives, music, poetry and song of Gypsies and a record of the changes that have taken place in their way of life in recent years. With chapters on prize-fighting, cherry picking and hop picking, the book also exposes the hostility that Gypsies have endured at the hands of gavvers and local councils over the years. A remarkable book, a social history and the seldom heard voice of Gypsy life.

    Available in June

    Good Luck Rosie.

    Good luck Lindsey


  39. Hi,

    Our new book may be of interest to many on this website, including those researching their family tree.

    It's called Old Ways, New Days: A Family History of Gypsy Life in South London and Kent by Rosie Smith and Lindsey Marsh.

    There's sections on bare-knuckle fighting, hop-picking, singing, war etc. It refers to lots of Gypsy names including Smith, Lee, Ripley, Boswell, Cooper, Deakins, there's over a hundred photos and personal stories shared. Gypsy cooking recipies, peg-making guides, song lyrics etc. More information can be found at www.marloco.com

    Thanks

    Lindsey

  40. hi again chris,i got your family now.sam and esther used to frequent the same fairs as ronnie taylor especially in barnstaple!!!sam quite liked to have women wrestlers in the ring aswell.if yoiu can look at the book -the book of barnstaple coronation to the millenium vol 2 by avril stone you will find 6 photos of sam.jis booth and esther in it at about page 160.

    in the 1930s sam first introduced the boxing booths too barnstaple fair!


    As a child I was privileged to be taken to the circus, where we mingled with the performers due to my Uncle Jack once being a performer himself. I also had free entry to the menagerie at the fair, along with my brother Peter and sister Roma. My parents were very good friends of SAM and ESTHER MCKEOWEN who was better known for his boxing booth, where FREDDIE MILLS, the famous boxer, was no stranger. Freddie was often seen standing outside the booth on a platform with other boxers, while the ‘Barker’ promoted a fight. i have just noticed this on this site!!!!i think chris and mary will know something about same aswell seeing this on here!!!!!mary unfortunately is in hospital at the moment but as soon as shes well i am sure she will be in contact.

    we also have some edwards folki living on our site here and they had something to do with freddie mills who sam knew so i might be able to find out more for you.i will try thats for sure.

    jean hope who reads the romany road journals her perants know sam so she too might be able to help you.

  41. hi chris,nice to meet you on here.i know very little about the edwards romany family in devon i am afraid and nothing about the mckeowens!!!we had an uncle ted edwards in south molten and we have some connections with the graddons of chilhampton area but not gratton!!ted edwards only had one son and he is called john and married tracey orchard.there are edwards buried in south molten cemetary but i think that teds name was orginally cornelieus or something like that and his family came orginally from wells.our family did have a lot to do with the boxing booths around devon and the south west.ronnie taylor who owned the excelsoir and also joe beckett whose mother was charlotte birch are all close kinn to us.if you can give me some approximate dates of birth or death etc i could maybe find out more.cathayb

  42. I am looking for information on the Mckeowen Family who used to run boxing booths

    for many years.

    Sam Mckeowen was my great uncle, my grandmother was his sister. Her married name was Edwards.

    As far as I can ascertain Sam and Esther (born HESTER Gratton) had two sons Patrick and Bernard.

    My Dad often told me that it was in the booths that he learned to box.

    My Fathers given name was George Edwards, but he was always called Kitchener by his Devon Family.

    I hope somone can fill in a few holes for me.

    Good Site.

    Chris Edwards

  43. tuesday.7pm 26thmay 2009.i am pleased to be able to tell those folk ringing and asking me that mary has come through her operation and is now in recovery.well done mary we are so happy for you.God be with you and your family.i will post more when i hear anything more.cathayb

  44. i am very sorry that the board seems to be posting everything multiple times at the moment.mary has reported it to the web owners so we hope to get it mended shortly.

    as regards the eades no i have never heard of them as romanies or even gypsies.but my knowledge is mainly of the travellers in the south west and the better kinown ones around the country.can you tell me what are they are from and i will make some enquiries for you.cathayb

  45. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  46. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  47. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  48. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  49. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  50. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  51. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  52. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  53. Hi any one heard of the Eades family?if they are Romany as cant find much on them thanks.

  54. sorry about the gltch over the page by now i think.all will be back in oreder soon.good wishes to all.was anyone at stow or wickham?love to hear about it if you were.

  55. we are sorry about the glitch folks.we are trying to sort it out.got no idea why it printed same post so many times!!!!!!



  56. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  57. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  58. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  59. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  60. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  61. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  62. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  63. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



  64. halo everyone this is jane eastwood and shannon clark just wanna say this is a really good site i was really pleased 2 see my grandad on the first page (jane eastwood) he is jimmy pickett iv got a really good photo of him when was in the army so i will be sending it in . and thats nice one of aunt lemmie aswell ............................xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

  65. hey denise.have you joined up for the journels on her?they come out four times a year and are excellant value.i thouroughly reccomend them to you as they are so reasonable in price and have alot of content in them.loe again cathayb

  66. hi denise.you might care to email me at cathayb@talktalk.net or try romanyconnections.wetpaint.com i help on the site. the loveridges and biddles round evesham and oxford are relatives of mine.i have a few scarrots but they were mainly in the west country.my sister in law was a loveridge before she married and her mother was a biddle before she married.my sister in law and her husband my husbands brother live in bidford on avon about 5 miles from evesham.you may even now them.are you on a site at evesham?i know where frogger and tanner are and joe smith etc oh and some of the friends.know a lot up there actually.lve cathay birch

  67. hi, my name is Denise, maiden name scarrott. This is a really good site. Ilive in worcestershire. Are there any of my relatives on this site would be good to know. I love horses and have a few of my own, off to stow fair tomorrow. My father lived in a showmans wagon as a child and they had galloping horses. He was from a large family, they moved around with the fair but settled in Highley for a good while, thats where my grandfather had a silent cinema.

    We now live in evesham. I know that there are loveridges and i think biddles in my family. Any info would be great thanks

  68. Gordon Thank you for your really interesting contribution. I was speaking to Chris this evening and he'll probably be calling in some time in the next few days, I'll tell him you are one here - he'll be pleased. Kushti bok Mary

  69. gosh thats intersting.i didnt know any of ours had gone as far as scotland!!!i wonder if they are related to us?theres a few i cant account for.ours seem to stem from hampshire in the 1700s and then move towards devon in the late 180s.they were greast horse dealers.hence the interest in kenilworth horse fair tomorrow????

  70. Yes ive heard of your family in the fairground business also met some tarmac travellers in Scotland who came from south of england by the name of Birch,,The Rosaire family i think are still around Essex some still in the circus in Europe

  71. hi robert,good to hear from you.they have a huge gathering in france at the light and life convention dont they?alot from england go there every year.

    we have fairground but not circus connections,my husband great uncle was ronnie taylor who had the excelsoir boxing ring.he died aged 95 in 2005.it had been in the family for 4 generations.

    i once rode bare back in the circus and they put a rope round me for safety!!!!someone made a mistake when i stood on the horses back and instead of just being safety i was lifted high in the air and flew round the ring!!!!!!LOL and thats a true story.regards to you cathay birch,

    h have you heard of the rosaire family circus?one of my relatives in 1800s married into the family and i still have rosaire connections with one of the descendants over in australia.i know their history in england but with a name like rosaire i am sure they oringinated in france.a lot of them married into the wilson families.

  72. Murro Pharls Murro Phens , An excellent site for all our people i myself come from a Gypsy family and have worked as Ringmaster and Manager for the courtney family CIRCUS VEGAS for over twenty years , My good friend Chris Baltrop in his page on circus on this site mentions familys in france who are ROMA or SINTI and have circuses in fact of 300 circuses in France and Germany 90% are run by Gypsy Familys but many many of or circus familys in England Scotland And here in IRELAND are desendant of Gypsy familys and still roka plenty Romanes ,Anyone atending the Christian Gypsy conventions in France each year will see the very large number of french and german Gypsy Circus Familys who atend ,Well done Chris on your page here this is a great Site , DEVLESA and BAXTALO ,,, ROBERT GORDON ( BELFAST)

  73. oh mary,you have done it again.another fantastic journal.i reccomend anyway not joined up as a member to do so straight away.the stories are brilliant and the photos so interesting.love to you dear friend.cathayb

  74. PLEASE NOTE

    Should anyone wish to advertise anything on on this site - please contact a member of the committee and your request will be answered. Many thanks

  75. Hi Zoe,

    Lovely to see you on here. I hope you are all well? Sorry I haven't been over to see you for such a long time but I'm starting to feel a bit better, so tell your Mum and Nan and Grandad that I'll be over soon. Love to you all - Mary xx

  76. hi zoe.nice to see you on here.i know your nan and grandad.we are born again christian and met them in ledbury years ago with irene who lives there too.joe and cathay birch from the west country.give them our best.love from cathayb

  77. hi i was just lookin at the sit nd if you go on pitchers then look for the 1 that says musy jones and family there are 3 pitchers the 2nd oun is my grat nan and grandad and there is a little gal by my grat nan that is my nan.

  78. hi i am zoe and all my family know the people thet run the web site so hi to evreyoun.

    i love te sit so you did a good gob just sating my grandad called owen florence is on her wid his catipolts and telling a store and my nan ethel florence so some may know me love you all

    from zoe and family

  79. hi again.its interesting to see the hartlake disaster brought up on here.many of us can trace family connection back to some of the poor folk who were drowned in that disaster.for myself i am always interested in anyone that has connections to sarah taylor that died that day along with her son and grandson.the taylor line is very interesting.we seem to have to distinct lines of taylors the london/kent taylors and the bristol/devon taylors.i have found loose connections to them through marriage but not by blood as yet.if anyone has any info on the two families i would love to share with you.

    i also have much the same problem with the penfolds.devon/cornwall penfolds and london penfolds.again i can find them visiting one another but i cant find a relationship between them tough i think there must be one somewhere.anyone got any ideas?if you have contact cathayb here and i will send a email address to you.thanks.

  80. Rosie

    Hello Rosie Dear - Some of my ancestors died in the Hartlake tragedy and I've been to Hadlow to the memorial to pay my respects. Ann Hughes who lives at Hadlow has done a lot for the Gypsies who died there and she is a member of Romany Road. I've just finished the new journal and taken it to the printer, so it won't be too long now before I send it off to you. I've put two of your beautiful poems in this time and a couple of your photos. Many thanks as always Mary

  81. hello mary i just read about Hartlake Bridge how sad ... my great uncle jesper use to sing a song about it and i went to a festivel they had to remember the pickers a few years back ...we use to live at hadlow when i was young its a beautiful place ..anyways thank you for puting it on here and for all the other cushty things you have on your site loves rosie xx

  82. cathyayb

    Yes we are going to join romany road. It is a good idea. We are trying to be re united with kin but we are also a chovihauni family. we constantly pray and distance heal to the best of our ability, for ourselves and all good souls but particularly rom. it is a nice feeling to be part of the community even as shamans traditionally working at a distance. Thank you so much for your help. yes we have had others of similar spirituality marrying in. Particulary Barber, who did live according to culture.

    Healing prayers and kushti bok

    Mandi and Roger HagleyAllison

  83. hi mandi again.i am glad you have joined the romany and traveller family history.but this is romany roads.its another site that does a journal aswell.its recollections of romany life but a lot of london based traveller stories occur in it.you can find details on this site here as mary horner publishes it.

    anyway i do hope after all your hard work you get some response to your relatives.have you got any other family names that sisters or kinn married into.that sometimes helps.i really wish could have helped you but i will keep looking and post if i find anything.love and romany hugs cathayb

  84. Cathyab

    Thank you. We have joined the traveller family history society and have posted on kent bbc romany roots several times over the years. i think that is the new post for wet paint. we posted there a week or so back. We hope our hard work and good intentions since age 9 will get us what our family deserves. A cure for our ills and a happy reunion with our family.

    Kushti Bok

    Mandi and Roger Hagley

  85. mandi,may i now suggest you asjk mary to put a looking for:-notice in the journal and also a request www.romanyconnections.wetpaint.co.uk or if i have address wrong it might be .com not .uk i am not sure.cathayb

  86. Cathyab

    We have just realised we have already corresponded with sandra lee on the newham forum site. She doesn't think we are related to her group of Lee's and did not know of Tom lee. There are many family groups. Thank you for your help. We will keep asking for help to be reunited.

    Kushti Bok

    Roger HagleyAllison

  87. Sandra Lee

    I posted on this site searching for relatives. Cathyabs very helpfully and made time to speak to some Lee's . it seems it is possible our families are related. We were related to Tom Lee and he siad to the Canning Town Lees.I Am repeating the original post. If you do believe we are related please do contact us via this site,email or telephone Roger HagleyAllison. Thank you very much for agreeing to let us write this information to you. We would be very happy to be reunited

    UPDATED INFORMATION.

    My name is Mandi Hagley Allison. My father was Stan Hagley and his father Stan Hagley, a gypsy and hawker from the East End of London.His mother was Violet Doyle, nee Smith, a Gypsy. They travelled around Kent hop picking. They had an aitchin tan in Dover and Maidstone. My dad was traumatically separated from his parents, brothers and sisters by the system in 1935. He was sent, alone, with no family, to Barnado's in Stephney Causeway. He was fostered out in Fordham,Cambridgeshire.

    On the day before his 13th birthday he was abruptly removed from his foster parents by Dr Barnadoes and sent to Russell Coates naval school, Dorset before being heavily persuaded by the training school to join the Merchant Navy as a deck boy. I and my mother have found in text books of my fathers from that time a message written by my dad. He wrote he was a gypsy healer, shaman, and wanted to be employed as a healer, not a sailor. He always told me that.

    Although technically my dad was separated from his family and culture in reality he visted lilian Doyle, his sister, and often went travelling with her and her family in the kent area. He also reunited with his half brother Edward Law and his sister Rose Hagley and Emily Doyle.Rose Hagley had been brought up by a Mrs Edwards, possibly related, in Maidstone.Emily and Lily Doyle sent to Aldersbrook Homes, Wanstead where they grew up. Edward stayed with his mother

    His mother's parents were Jack and Emily Smith born 1876 and 1883 of Skellington Road, East Ham, london. His maternal Uncles were John Smith born1903,and William Smith born 1918. Maternal aunts Amy Smith born 1899, Lily Thompson, Gladys Smith, Ivy Smith born 1920.

    He was loyal to his Romany culture and brought me up in the same traditions. I am proud to be a Romany. I believe Gypsys have been persecuted because the ethnic group so intelligent and morally good that a jealous minority used Gypsies as scapegoats for their own mistakes. My dad often spoke of taking me on the road and in deed i my father and mother were going to do just that when he was tragically killed in a terrible accident at sea.

    I am very proud of my Romany culture and of my dad. I admired him so much. I was only 9 when he died . I had so much to learn about him. However neither I or my mother know the whereabouts of my fathers relatives or descendents. I know I cannot bring my dadus back but I hope by learning more about his story I and our family can enjoy the memories of him more. I and my mother have been asking for this information since I was 9. My mother never remarried after my dad, her beloved husband, died. My dad called my mum Ruthie. It took our family years to get Barnados to release details of his time there.

    Years ago I spoke to Tom Lee ( secretary of the Romany Guild) who said our family was related to him and the Lees of Canning Town. He was going to tell me more when unfortunately he passed on.

    If you can help by giving info or contact details of any of our genuine gypsy relatives ( Hagley, Allison, Storey, Pearson, Cole/ cull )who want to be reunited please inform

    Roger Hagley Allison via HagleyAllison@hotmail.co.uk.

    Or phone him on 07913658295

    Kushti Bok.

    Parruka tutu ta atch misto from our Gypsy family.

    Mandi and Roger HagleyAllison

    Ruth Hagley

    Holly Pearson and Simon Cull

  88. My Gypsy Family 16 Mar 2008 ... As you all probably know by now, I am descended from the gypsy Lee's of Canning Town. I belong to the Romany & Traveller Family History ...

    apps.newham.gov.uk/Forums/localhistory/archive/archive.pl?noframes;read=50832 - 16k - Cached - Similar pages -

    here you are mandi,you can find sandra on here or contact her through the romany and traveller family history society.she is a relative of tom lee and all the lees around canning town.i hope you find something.do let us know if you do.we love a good ending to a search!anything else i can do let me know.cathayb

  89. mandi i am up to my eyes in it at the moment with my kids but i have found that sandra lee of canningtown is alive and kicking and may be related to you as tom lee said you were related to him.i am making futher enquiries and hope to be back in touch with you shortly.if i find you are related i will put you in touch with sandra.romany hugs cathayb

  90. Cathayb Sorry for your troubles. Thank you so much for finding time to help us find our gypsy relatives. We feel we need all the help we can get to be united as a family and as happy and healthy as possible ! i Will put a post as you suggest and the magazines sound interesting. My email is HagleyAllison@hotmail.co.uk and my mobile number 07913658295 which i am happy to be used for any serious information about our gypsy family.

    Thank you and kushti Bok

    Roger HagleyAllison

  91. Cathayb Sorry for your troubles. Thank you so much for finding time to help us find our gypsy relatives. We feel we need all the help we can get to be united as a family and as happy and healthy as possible ! i Will put a post as you suggest and the magazines sound interesting. My email is HagleyAllison@hotmail.co.uk and my mobile number 07913658295 which i am happy to be used for any serious information about our gypsy family.

    Thank you and kushti Bok

    Roger HagleyAllison

  92. hi mandi,my name is cathayb.i have a few family problems at the moment but i will be looking for some family members for you when ever i get time in the next few days.if i find anything i will let you know.have yopu tried posting on www.romanyconnections.wetpaint.com ?thats another good site a lot of romanys get on helping each other find folk.also have you subscribed to the journal here?its excellant and has many stories and recollections of the romany life.you can get back copies aswell if your interested.anyway i will see what i can do to help you.romany hugs to you and yours cathayb

  93. crikey Cathay,

    you have worked hard. l didn.t think of searching further afield. You may have given me a clue. when l get a chance, this eve lhope, l am going to check them through. l will let you know how l get on. thanks again

    Tricia

  94. UPDATED INFORMATION

    My name is Mandi Hagley Allison. My father was Stan Hagley and his father Stan Hagley, a gypsy and hawker from the East End of London.His mother was Violet Doyle, nee Smith, a Gypsy. They travelled around Kent hop picking. They had an aitchin tan in Dover and Maidstone. My dad was traumatically separated from his parents, brothers and sisters by the system in 1935. He was sent, alone, with no family, to Barnado's in Stephney Causeway. He was fostered out in Fordham,Cambridgeshire.

    On the day before his 13th birthday he was abruptly removed from his foster parents by Dr Barnadoes and sent to Russell Coates naval school, Dorset before being heavily persuaded by the training school to join the Merchant Navy as a deck boy. I and my mother have found in text books of my fathers from that time a message written by my dad. He wrote he was a gypsy healer, shaman, and wanted to be employed as a healer, not a sailor. He always told me that.

    Although technically my dad was separated from his family and culture in reality he visted lilian Doyle, his sister, and often went travelling with her and her family in the kent area. He also reunited with his half brother Edward Law and his sister Rose Hagley and Emily Doyle.Rose Hagley had been brought up by a Mrs Edwards, possibly related, in Maidstone.

    His mother's parents were Jack and Emily Smith born 1876 and 1883 of Skellington Road, East Ham, london. His maternal Uncles were John Smith born1903,and William Smith born 1918. Maternal aunts Amy Smith born 1899, Lily Thompson, Gladys Smith, Ivy Smith born 1920.

    He was loyal to his Romany culture and brought me up in the same traditions. I am proud to be a Romany Gypsy. My dad often spoke of taking me on the road and in deed i , my dad, and my mum were going to do just that when he was tragically killed in a terrible accident at sea.

    I am very proud of my Romany culture and of my dad. I admired him so much. I was only 9 when he died . I had so much to learn about him. However I do not know the whereabouts of my fathers relatives or descendents. Any information would be really appreciated. I know I cannot bring my dadus back but I hope by learning more about his gypsy roots I can understand him better and I will feel closer to him in everyday life. I have been asking for this information since I was 9 !it took me years to get Barnados to release details. Years ago I spoke to Tom Lee ( secretary of the Romany Guild) who said we were related to him and the Lees of Canning Town. He was going to tell me more when unfortunately he passed on

    If you can help by giving info about any genuine gypsy relatives please email HagleyAllison@hotmail.co.uk. Or phone Roger on 07913658295

    Kushti Bok and thank you, Rom.

    Thank you from our gypsy family

    Mandi and Roger HagleyAllison



  95. My name is Mandi Hagley Allison. My father was Stan Hagley and his father Stan Hagley, a gypsy and hawker from the East End of London.His mother was Violet Doyle, nee Smith, a Gypsy. They travelled around Kent hop picking. My dad was traumatically separated from his parents, brothers and sisters by the system in 1935. He was sent, alone, with no family, to Barnado's in Stephney Causeway. He was fostered out in Fordham,Cambridgeshire.

    On the day before his 13th birthday he was abruptly removed from his foster parents by Dr Barnadoes and sent to Russell Coates naval school, Dorset before being heavily persuaded by the training school to join the Merchant Navy as a deck boy. I and my mother have found in text books of my fathers from that time a message written by my dad. He wrote he was a gypsy healer, shaman, and wanted to be employed as a healer, not a sailor. He always told me that.

    /home/mandy/Documents/Mandy And Roger/family history FULL information

    Although technically my dad was separated from his family and culture in reality he visted lilian Doyle, his sister, and often went travelling with her and her family in the kent area. He also reunited with his half brother Edward (Teddy) Law and his sister kathleen Hagley, then Mrs Mallion in Kent. He also had a sister



    My name is Mandi Hagley Allison. My father was Stan Hagley and his father Stan Hagley, a gypsy and hawker from the East End of London.His mother was Violet Doyle, nee Smith, a Gypsy. They travelled around Kent hop picking. My dad was traumatically separated from his parents, brothers and sisters by the system in 1935. He was sent, alone, with no family, to Barnado's in Stephney Causeway. He was fostered out in Fordham,Cambridgeshire.

    On the day before his 13th birthday he was abruptly removed from his foster parents by Dr Barnadoes and sent to Russell Coates naval school, Dorset before being heavily persuaded by the training school to join the Merchant Navy as a deck boy. I and my mother have found in text books of my fathers from that time a message written by my dad. He wrote he was a gypsy healer, shaman, and wanted to be employed as a healer, not a sailor. He always told me that.

    /home/mandy/Documents/Mandy And Roger/family history FULL information

    Although technically my dad was separated from his family and culture in reality he visted lilian Doyle, his sister, and often went travelling with her and her family in the kent area. He also reunited with his half brother Edward (Teddy) Law and his sister Rose Hagley and Emily Doyle.

    His mother's parents were Jack and Emily Smith born 1876 and 1883 of Skellington Road, East Ham, london. His maternal Uncles were John Smith born1903,and William Smith born 1918. Maternal aunts Amy Smith born 1899, Lily Thompson, Gladys Smith, Ivy Smith born 1920.

    He was loyal to his Romany culture and brought me up in the same traditions. I am proud to be a Romany Gypsy. My dad often spoke of taking me on the road and in deed i , my dad, and my mum were going to do just that when he was tragically killed in a terrible accident at sea.

    I am very proud of my Romany culture and of my dad. I admired him so much. I was only 9 when he died . I had so much to learn about him. However I do not know the whereabouts of my fathers relatives or descendents. Any information would be really appreciated. I know I cannot bring my dadus back but I hope by learning more about his gypsy roots I can understand him better and I will feel closer to him in everyday life. I have been asking for this information since I was 9 ! If you can help by giving info about any genuine gypsy relatives please email HagleyAllison@hotmail.co.uk

    Kushti Bok and thank you, Rom.

    Thank you from our gypsy family

    Mandi and Roger HagleyAllison


  96. what interested me was a brother called bertie and a little girl called bertha was one of tem named after the other in a separate family of possible cousins?

    i know i am going back in time instead of looking to what happened to william giddins but it helps me to get a feel for the family and then have a think where they might have gone and who with in the 1900s!do you understand what i mean?let me know what you think?

  97. i have got a few more in a different area again but then if they were travellers they would have travelled!!!!dont know if these will tie in somewhere.

    Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation 1901 cencus bertha reed staying with hearns as a grandaughter!!!!

    Edmund Hearn 78 Harefield, Middlesex, England Head Living on Own Means

    Rebecca Hearn 71 Padcross, Hertfordshire Wife

    John Hearn 27 Watford, Hertfordshire Son Boot Maker

    Bertha Reed 12 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Granddaughter

    1 Lord's Mill Cottages

    Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation 1891 cencus

    Thomas Reed 26 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Head Bootmaker

    Dorcas Reed 26 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Wife

    Bertha Reed 3 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter

    225 Waterside

    Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation 1901 cencus

    Thomas Reed 39 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Head Inn Keeper

    Dorcas Reed 38 Stanmore, Middlesex, England Wife

    Bertha Reed 14 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter

    Ellen Reed 11 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter

    Ernest Reed 8 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Son

    Edmund Reed 6 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Son

    Thomas Fennell 42 Acton, Middlesex, England Boarder Water & Gas Jointer

    Walter Brightman 20 Berkhampsted, Hertfordshire Boarder Water & Gas Jointer

    Tylers Hill, (5 Bells)

    i know mary horner who owns this site says she knows of reeds and marks and here they are with a grandaughter hearn.hearns are marys family line.

  98. i know its a different spelling of reed but could they have been using the reed surname mistranscribed by the enumerator?do you think thses are anything to do with your lot?

    Jack Read 1899 Sx,

    Married, to Patience Fuller b1901,

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    Parents.

    William George Read 1866 Isle of Wight Hants,

    Married Matilda Reen 1859 Sx

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    Parents.

    John Read 1815 Hants,

    Married 1858, to Mary Richards b1836 Hants,

    John also Married a Eliza Cull b1818,

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    James Read 1778 Hants,

    Married Mary Ball b1780 Hants

  99. p.s. he and his sisters were Reed on the 1891 cencus. Bertie was giddins His father was George. All so confusing. lol.

    Tricia

  100. hi Cathay,

    possible from the second family. His sisters were younger four years between him and sarah and 10 years between him and loui. Thier step father was George Giddins. thier mother Kate Marks. His brother was Bertie Giddins. They lived in whittiker street Chatham. Dont know if they stayed put or not. When he married my nan they were based in Best street in the winter.

    Trica

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